tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8079863.post4061480096767326261..comments2024-03-15T21:12:43.843-07:00Comments on the wild web: opting-out of behavioral adsSid Stammhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08788622306405563565noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8079863.post-58623274181140232322011-06-02T13:54:24.009-07:002011-06-02T13:54:24.009-07:00@ankhorite: We're moving it in Firefox 5. it ...@ankhorite: We're moving it in Firefox 5. it will be on the top of the "Privacy" tab of options instead of buried in "Advanced/General". (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=645063)Sid Stammhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08788622306405563565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8079863.post-90443498937782162952011-06-02T10:41:52.848-07:002011-06-02T10:41:52.848-07:00AGH! For those who came here hoping for some guid...AGH! For those who came here hoping for some guidance on how to actually USE this feature, look for it in<br /><br /><b>Tools --> Options --> Advanced</b><br /><br />(Though why they put it in Advanced instead of Privacy is a good question).<br /><br />Firefox gave me a big screen bragging about this development -- without saying how it could be activated. AGGHHH!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8079863.post-57330690658332159382011-05-06T06:18:38.861-07:002011-05-06T06:18:38.861-07:00I'm reminded of RFC3514 which defined the &quo...I'm reminded of RFC3514 which defined the "Evil Bit".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8079863.post-85566291333960222462011-03-28T03:56:45.500-07:002011-03-28T03:56:45.500-07:00Quoth mz1010101 who said said...
web content ...Quoth mz1010101 who said said...<br /><br /> web content is not free. advertising helps support and pay for the media you are consuming.<br /><br /> by opting out of technologies that are safe and anonymous and help websites get higher payouts from advertisers you are hurting site owners/content creators.<br />-------------------------------<br />Gee, whatever did we do without the advertisers in the bad ol' days of the interwebs?<br /><br />Seriously, why not think of a different paradigm for internet, instead of this incessant opt-in/opt-out of advertising tracking?<br /><br />We have some of the brightest minds in the world, yet we continue down this hopeless road?<br /><br />Start cracking those minds open boys and girls. You can do better. Think like Marc Andreesen would, or Steve Jobs.Mark Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04982876336856089968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8079863.post-616128930935067732011-03-23T16:00:39.829-07:002011-03-23T16:00:39.829-07:00@Anonymous/3:39pm:
The DNT header is off by defaul...@Anonymous/3:39pm:<br />The DNT header is off by default in Firefox 4 because it doesn't mean anything to web sites if we make the decision for the user.<br /><br />If it is a feature you have to seek out and enable, it is a stronger signal that clearly states user intent and not Mozilla's intent. Turning it on by default is just like declaring "Firefox 4 users don't want tracking" and expecting sites to stop tracking for all Firefox 4 users. (I doubt they'd listen to that request.)Sid Stammhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08788622306405563565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8079863.post-85677681499038419792011-03-23T15:39:29.453-07:002011-03-23T15:39:29.453-07:00Why is the default do-not-track option off in fire...Why is the default do-not-track option off in firefox 4, while it is obvious that a huge majority of users would want this on if they knew about the privacy invasion this represents ?<br /><br />Let me guess... This way, a large number of users not well informed about the way their privacy is violated by companies like google, will never even know that this option exist, and will still be tracked even if a law is passed some day. Better : without even knowing, they will explicitely declare something like "it's ok track me" to those greedy privacy invading companies. Thanks Mozilla.<br /><br />Now a coincidence : Mozilla receive a huge amount of money from google, and google makes huge amount of money from privacy invading user tracking.<br />Everything sounds logical here. General interest does not matter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8079863.post-50689389874209277782011-02-22T15:45:56.121-08:002011-02-22T15:45:56.121-08:00@Anonymous/8:50am: your concern is warranted, howe...@Anonymous/8:50am: your concern is warranted, however our DNT header approach is intended to allow privacy preserving advertisements, and only opt you out of those that invade your privacy. We don't at all intend to block ads, but rather let the ad networks know you don't want to be tracked. They can still show you ads chosen anonymously.Sid Stammhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08788622306405563565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8079863.post-91316894743248117352011-02-21T08:50:25.365-08:002011-02-21T08:50:25.365-08:00My concern with opting-out of behavioral ads would...My concern with opting-out of behavioral ads would be that<br />certain websites may not function<br />because they use the ads to <br />fund their sites.<br />However, the thought is worth continual studies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8079863.post-6222038339412851182011-02-20T23:44:53.946-08:002011-02-20T23:44:53.946-08:00I like the red background and green background ide...I like the red background and green background idea also. <br />sincerely,<br />a different anonymous than the one who originally posted the idea.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8079863.post-46368317010900770912011-02-18T10:47:09.506-08:002011-02-18T10:47:09.506-08:00While we're at this, why not give it some teet...While we're at this, why not give it some teeth. Create a mechanism by which we can CHARGE networks for gathering our data and lobby to make it law..Nimitz1061http://www.strikehawk.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8079863.post-81420290176919314962011-02-17T13:55:28.887-08:002011-02-17T13:55:28.887-08:00I think there should be an option in Firefox to vi...I think there should be an option in Firefox to visually display to a user whether or not the site they're visiting tracks them. Something like Green background on URL if the site does not track, Red background on the URL if the site does track. This allows the user to easily distinguish between sites which do and don't track. If the URL is red the user can choose to no longer visit that site and it gives an additional incentive to the site to not track the user.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8079863.post-49301643382596259092011-02-17T13:11:31.595-08:002011-02-17T13:11:31.595-08:00You are a extreme geek boy but that's OK its c...You are a extreme geek boy but that's OK its cool.Sierrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16428837794124837479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8079863.post-45267057532046452892011-02-16T10:26:18.731-08:002011-02-16T10:26:18.731-08:00Why would we want to opt-in? I want to have this s...Why would we want to opt-in? I want to have this setting "on" by default! Isn't this obvious enough??newyuppiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03467420623397631073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8079863.post-89172312240953325122011-02-15T11:48:47.623-08:002011-02-15T11:48:47.623-08:00Aside from the tech aspects, How about a simple in...Aside from the tech aspects, How about a simple indicator that one is being tracked? This would help those desiring privacy to identify immediately any site ignoring a request and thus allowing market share to dictate and encourage site opt-in to the scheme. This should be implementable irrespective of the header sent.<br />The URL colour identification has been invaluable and greatly affects the sites I and my colleagues visit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8079863.post-82294044061684272482011-02-11T01:53:27.490-08:002011-02-11T01:53:27.490-08:00Why is feature located in Options > Advanced ra...Why is feature located in Options > Advanced rather than Options > Privacy where it belongs?Rookerhttp://twitter.com/achuranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8079863.post-16669716912880716642011-02-10T20:36:00.074-08:002011-02-10T20:36:00.074-08:00I have absolutely NO idea what
your talking about!...I have absolutely NO idea what<br />your talking about!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8079863.post-13372546275118286732011-02-10T09:40:59.305-08:002011-02-10T09:40:59.305-08:00huh? Im not a techy. Just tell me if I need to cha...huh? Im not a techy. Just tell me if I need to change anything in my settings to block the trackingSheWontHotwife :(https://www.blogger.com/profile/16050172083859487632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8079863.post-26164353517265568312011-02-10T09:32:40.119-08:002011-02-10T09:32:40.119-08:00What this needs is some control over the different...What this needs is some control over the different ways the user will want to control how they are tracked. For example one could block 3rd party cookies but not first party cookies. Or one could allow page to page tracking, but not global site tracking.Cameron Huletthttp://www.acceleration.biznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8079863.post-78629433145710552482011-02-10T07:47:55.832-08:002011-02-10T07:47:55.832-08:00@Stephan Pretorius:
We've written the UI to sa...@Stephan Pretorius:<br />We've written the UI to say "Tell sites" not, "opt-out". Thanks for the feedback, though, and we'll see if we can't be clearer when we release the final version of the product (remember, you're using a Beta).<br /><br />I agree with you that limiting the definition is not the right approach, but perhaps I wasn't clear enough. We believe tracking is <i>at least</i> cross-site tracking from ad networks. There is more to the picture, but the public discourse surrounding opt-out for ad networks is more advanced than the rest of the tracking discussion, so we want to make sure to address that piece first.Sid Stammhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08788622306405563565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8079863.post-90256337165221537172011-02-10T07:47:01.509-08:002011-02-10T07:47:01.509-08:00Those concerned about privacy should also be aware...Those concerned about privacy should also be aware of browser footprinting techniques, that can uniquely identify visitors of a site without the need for cookies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8079863.post-47010425447377204272011-02-10T07:43:41.834-08:002011-02-10T07:43:41.834-08:00@mz1010101: Yes, we in no way aim to disable ads. ...@mz1010101: Yes, we in <i>no way</i> aim to disable ads. Many ad networks offer tracking opt-out already, and we just want to make users' expression of desire to get out of tracking a uniform expression and not based on 100s of opt-out cookies.<br /><br />@Anonymous/5:28am: Right, the header approach only helps with the fair players. The fair players, however, have a very large majority of the market so they are an important segment. I agree that we need to do more to address the unfair players (and we will), but there's no reason we can't play nice with the fair players first.Sid Stammhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08788622306405563565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8079863.post-47468641564474719682011-02-10T05:43:18.961-08:002011-02-10T05:43:18.961-08:00I think the way you have positioned this to consum...I think the way you have positioned this to consumers on the Firefox4 upgrade page is quite misleading. You can't really actively opt out of tracking with this new feature, you can only <i>request</i> to opt-out. All you are now going to get is a large number of everyday web users who <i>think</i> they've opted out of tracking when in fact they haven't. For this reason I would agree with @Stuart that improvements on the per-site cookie blocking UI would be far more productive.<br /><br />Separately, I think the definition of Do Not Track as being limited to site visits across sites by ad networks completely misses the mark in terms of what is really going on with customer data today. First party tracking, data appending and remarketing would all be allowed in terms of this definition, yet, from a consumer perspective I'd bet my bottom dollar most consumers would consider these practices as being "tracking" and would expect a DNT feature in their browser to prevent that from happening.<br /><br />@Sid: am I missing the point?Stephan Pretoriushttp://uk.linkedin.com/in/stephanpretoriusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8079863.post-49314673956823532372011-02-10T05:28:41.892-08:002011-02-10T05:28:41.892-08:00This will only "protect" you from the go...This will only "protect" you from the good ad guys, bad ad guys can just ignore the header and track you anyway.<br /><br />Strong 3rd-party cookie options would probably be more useful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8079863.post-64198345656373443582011-02-10T05:25:03.707-08:002011-02-10T05:25:03.707-08:00Did any of the ad networks sign up for respecting ...Did any of the ad networks sign up for respecting this? Otherwise it's probably just cluttering the browser (and network..) with an option that won't do anything?<br /><br />I'd probably find it more useful to be able to set 3-rd party cookie options separately (wipe when closing browser, but keep 1st party cookies). Even IE, as much as I hate it, has this..<br /><br />And shouldn't the option be under Privacy instead of Advanced?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8079863.post-1032144366111439562011-02-10T04:17:34.439-08:002011-02-10T04:17:34.439-08:00Help! I have Minefield 4.0 b12pre and cannot find ...Help! I have Minefield 4.0 b12pre and cannot find the Do not track option. How do I enable it?<br /><br />Can it be found in adbout:config? Because it definitely isn't in the Preferences window (not even the advanced tab).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com